The French government will summon the Turkish ambassador demanding an explanation after Turkey’s delightfully outspoken President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, asked if French President Emmanuel Macron was “brain dead.”

Ahead of a NATO summit next starting on Dec 4 which will be attended by both men, tensions have mounted around Turkey’s role in Syria and within the alliance; they boiled over on Friday Friday when Erdogan said that Emmanuel Macron’s warning that NATO was dying reflects a “sick and shallow” understanding, telling the French president “I’m addressing Mr Macron from Turkey and I will say it at NATO: You should check whether you are brain dead first.”

The quip is in response to Macron’s own recent lament over the “brain death” of NATO because of American unpredictability under President Donald Trump and strained ties with Turkey, and said the allies need “a wake-up call.”

Macron said in an interview three weeks ago there was a lack of strategic coordination between European allies on the one hand and the United States and Turkey, on the other. He has also decried NATO’s inability to react to what he called Turkey’s “crazy” offensive into northern Syria.

Macron’s remarks drew strong reaction from European peers who believe Europe still needs to rely heavily on NATO, but he said on Thursday his remarks had been a useful wake-up call and he would not apologize for saying them.

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Meanwhile, Turkey – which has become a critical splinter within NATO and according to some is doing Putin’s bidding – is refusing to back a NATO defense plan for the Baltics and Poland unless it gets more political support for its fight against Kurdish YPG militia in northern Syria. Turkey also criticized Macron for agreeing to talks with a Syrian Kurd politician whom Ankara considers an extremist.

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A French presidential official said the Turkish envoy will be summoned to the Foreign Ministry to explain, and that France and other NATO allies are expecting “clear answers” from Turkey about its intentions in Syria.

 

Source: Zero Hedge

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Hmm, I don’t think Daeshbags will be happy to hear this…

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Why? I may disagree with Macron on many points, especially when it comes to domestic policy, he’s abslutely right when he considers an EU-Army as necessary, or at least a joint EU defence policy. Turkish actions and behaviour are intolerable, in terms of NATO alliance, Turkey thinks like an enemy, speaks like an enemy and acts like an enemy, that is a fact, thus, Macron’s wake-up call is nonetheless justified but also necessary! Those who believe Europe still needs to rely heavily on NATO are wrong : meanwhile I don’t question at all the alliance with other non-EU NATO members… Read more »

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At prince, he is unhappy that EU does not declare war on the Sultanate.

And so am I.

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Well… Declaring an all-out war might be exaggerated since we haven’t a casus belli, it’d need ErDOG following his phantasms to snatch Cyprus or parts of Greece and Bulgaria… But taking appropriate measures like hardcore sanctions and preparing a war seems necessary, as for intervening against Turkish proxies in northern Syria, imposing a no fly zone/no drive zone over Afrin /al-Bab/Jarablus and the other invaded areas, intercepting artillery (MANTIS, Crotale-NG, Iron Dome) and creating a Flying Tiger unit using retired Mirage-2000 added with Israeli retired Kfir, F-4 and F-16A/B which are all kept with upgrade to the latest standards (more… Read more »

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at death 2, Your proposals are all out war without declaration. A margin of them would devastate Turkey’s economy. No visas for tourists, EU import stop, stopping money transfers from expatriates and sending unemployed Turks home would make the noose around the Sultan’s neck tight enough. Just like the US pre WW II oil embargo against Japan it might cause a desperate attack.

p.s. You heard of the Turk Libyan sea treaty claiming the EU acquis south of Crete. Another casus belli like claiming Cyprus and parts of Bulgaria and Greece. EU joint defense will inevitably come.

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Well, the Sultan is looking for troubles and when you look for troubles, troubles always come… And the cake might be too big for him…
And yeah, I’m 100% for EU joint defense policy, it’s a long overdue.
Well, I suppose that Haftar will gain more support at ousting GNA?

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at death 2, maybe looking or internal rhetoric. Anyway the Sultan looks to acquire free oil and gas in the EU acquis and in bordering non EU states. Eventually this economic adventurism will lead to escalation and he has no real allies bear his borders. While the Entente colonial powers created multi ethnic small states in Arabistan. They can become strong like the EU when they put their differences away like we did.

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Nothing better for unity than a common foe. The Magyar incursions created the First Reich and the French the second. Someone will eventually “help” the EU to close ranks. Why not the Sultan who can do the same for all his neighbors?

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If YOU Germans decide to raise mil-budget to 2% of GDP, as supposed to do by NATO regulations, you can REALLY kickstart the EU defense into 5 years. Sorry, there’d be mainly French gear (a little Spanish too), but we’re the only ones with the capabilities to field the necessary gear… And it’s no time to discuss workshare, any way, several countries shipyards and aircraft-building facilities will be necessary and if YOU Germans don’t kickstart, nobody else can, even if you won’t receive most of the gear for the Bundeswehr, any way, your Greens would go insane with my plan,… Read more »

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at death 2, Your plan will spook the US into Wolfowitz mode. Or do You think that military doctrine is abandoned? And Russia would feel threatened too.

you seem to mix preparing to conquer the world around us like the US with preparing a solid defense.

The later can be done at 1% GDP. US demands for 2% are designed to goad the EU and Russia into an arms race. Which would overburden the economy of Russia, Same as with the Soviet Union.

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p.s. If need arises the EU can finance a bigger military via a budget that is based on printed money. The US does that all the time. And Germany financed two WWs by that.

The drawback is that You need a monetary reform afterwords. That is why Germany is not so keen about South European plans to muster funds for peace time budgets via deficits beyond 3% of the GDP.

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Russia is at 4.3% and Putin brags a LOT about his wunderwäffen, doesn’t he?
EU at 2% would spend only about the half of USA and a little more than China.
Your militaries can’t even operate with 1.38%. more than the half of your Typhoons are grounded!
C’mon, be real, even the two-bits Sultan exploits this!
You rely too much on soft-power, but the carrot without the stick is useless!
2% ain’t big or abusive : West-Germany used to spend 6% until the fall of Berlin’s wall, most of Western Europe was over 5%.

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at mort 2, the 2014 agreed NATO target was 2% GDP in 2024 not in 2019. Trump’s demands and threats are an attempt to unilaterally force his ideas on Germany. NATO decisions are consensus based not US or France based.

p.s. You see how the Sultanate 2.0 blocks NATO planing. The Sultan spends a meager $ 19 billion at 2.5 % GDP after doubling military expenses in 10 years. Others can do the same.

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@ mort 2, BTW. Russia is at 3.9 % GDP and spends about as much as France at 2.3 % GDP. Germany spends 1.2 % GDP to raise about $ 49.5 billion. At 2 % GDP Germany would raise about $ 20 billion more than France or Russia and at 3 % GDP as much as both together. Germany does not want to be a menace and worry neighbors.

p.s. Putin has the Wunderwaffen for his needs. That is enough. France also has the Wunderwaffen she needs.

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Well, when you consider how the relations between KSA, UAE, Egypt and Israel are evolving, and on the other side, Israel/Egypt/Cyprus/Greece, we’re living in interesting times…

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at death 2, yes. gathering behind common interests.

Israel/Egypt/Cyprus/Greece have a common economic goal. Supply domestic markets and EU.

And the Sultan is in their way.

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You forget that Greece and Cyprus are EU, and BTW, without the Turk invaders from Mongolia, so would some others area. Without the Spanish Flu, we’d had got rid of these once and for all 1 century ago.
Maybe should we consider direct intervention to crush GNA in Libya.

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at death 2, the Sultan not I forgets that EU has also defense articles.

IMHO It was not the Spanish flue but that the Entente was satisfied with the spoils. So they abandoned their WWI Greek allies to genocide and set about to create the surroundings for future wars.

Direct intervention created the GNA in Libya.

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Well, these are claims, the declaration of war would be if these are followed by acts… In such a case, we shall not stay idle…But I fear Angela may do so : she has a “je ne sais quoi” from Chamberlain…

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at death 2, The treaty about the acquis area with Libya and drilling in the acquis are a fait accomplis to be answered.

Naturally Merkel knows. EU does not need to shoot first but must start serious economical and political pressures.

The US did the same to Japan before WW II. When Japan went in panic mode and attacked Pearl Harbor. The anti war stance of the broad US public switched to pro war mode. LOL

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Absolutely, thus there was already a secret war running in China : Chennault’s Flying Tigers, etc… And Japan had already started WW2 with the invasion of Manchuria…

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Zweite Weltkrieg (1939–1945). WW II started later. But it was US tradition to give “aid” to
future “allies” with ” not so PRIVATE” soldiers.

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The Flying Tigers recruited under Emperor Franklin Roosevelt’s authority before Pearl Harbor were only one aspect. The US oil embargo hurt and provoked Japan even more.

p.s. Sending flying troops before war started with the Escadrille Américaine in 1916. That was a propaganda measure to pull the US into the French irredentist and revanchist war of conquest against Imperial Germany.

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HANG IT AND ALL GENOCIDALS! THUGS OUT OF NATO FOR UNHUMANITY!